What if Cooper wasn`t brought to the island in order for Locke to confront his past, but all along it was intended to be Sawyer who would make peace with his demons (if killing Cooper actually will give peace of mind)?

According to Ben, Locke would have to kill Cooper to leave his old self behind.
When Locke wasn`t capable of killing his father (Ben had access to Locke`s files, didn`t he already realize Locke wasn`t capable of killing? And he had met him as the fake Henry Gale, when Locke was the one protecting him), Richard convinently shows up and gives Locke Sawyer`s file.
Did he do this with or without Ben`s knowledge - or even on Ben`s orders? Ben seems to have a pretty good grasp of everything that goes on around there, and when he later asks Locke where he would get such a ridiculous idea, it does sound like he knows where Locke would get the idea....

And Sawyer ends up the one killing Cooper - wouldn`t that mean it was Sawyer who confronted his past and not Locke? Locke did give Sawyer the tools and the opportunity to kill him, but he didn`t seem to be able to take any active part in it himself?

Was this some elaborate con by Ben?

When the Others had Michael hand them some of the Losties, they didn`t ask for Locke. Instead they wanted Sawyer. But perhaps they knew if they were the ones who presented Sawyer with the option of killing Cooper, he would never have done it. So they had to do it via Locke?

we have to keep one thing in mind, and that is Sawyer didn't know who Cooper really was until after being locked up with him and the conversation went the way it went. Had the conversation gone any different, then Sawyer doesn't kill him. Based on that I don't believe, that Cooper was brought to the island for Sawyer.
Now to take a great leap, consider this,  maybe, just maybe, Cooper had somehow conned or swindled Ben's organization in some way and they decided to deal with him in an ironic way i.e. bringing him to the island where 2 people who's lives he affected are present. Just a way thought

That is a good point, I didn`t believe Sawyer would kill him until Cooper started tearing up his letter. Yet, the Others did nothing to clear up his view that he was in hell, which probably fuelled his behaviour and led him to answer Sawyer that way. And they did know Sawyer had been searching for the real-Sawyer for a very long time - he even killed an innocent man thinking he was Sawyer. So the odds that Cooper, particular in this state of mind, sooner or later would push him over the edge, seems good I think.

Raider posted something interesting in the epi thread that Locke had already given the island a human sacrifice - Boone. So was Ben speaking the truth - that the island indeed demands a human sacrifice? Or are both Ben and Locke ready to be locked away in a padded room LOL

I also like your idea about Cooper conning Ben`s organization in the past - or even Ben`s parents for that matter. That could very well be his motivation for bringing him to the island.

I don't know if the Others knew that Cooper would push Sawyer over the edge, but Locke certainly knew.  He said something to Sawyer about waiting to hear what "Ben" had to say.  Locke knew his dad well enough to be sure he just couldn't STFU  

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yes, he seemed fairly certain that even if Sawyer kept telling him he wasn`t going to kill anyone, locking him in a room with his dad would take care of it LOL

Sawyer killed Cooper by strangling him right? If the island has healing properties, then what if Cooper suddenly stirs just as Locke offers him up to Ben and the others?

But the healing properties are relative to the person's "nature" TPTB said in a podcast I believe.

Cooper wasn't a good person, therefore I don't think the healing properties would work on him. Not to mention, the island and Locke have their special "connection", and it may recognize Cooper as another sacrifice. I don't really like talking about the island as if it has a thought process, but yeah.

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WayOffCourse wrote : I don't know if the Others knew that Cooper would push Sawyer over the edge, but Locke certainly knew.  He said something to Sawyer about waiting to hear what "Ben" had to say.  Locke knew his dad well enough to be sure he just couldn't STFU

I think the Others did know, though.  That's why Richard said "keep reading" in answer to Locke's question "why would Sawyer want to kill my father?"  The file must have had detail enough for them to know and hence that's the reason why Richard gave it to Locke.  My thoughts, anyway.

Ditto Lis!

But if the healing process is relative to the nature of the person, I wonder why Mikhail seems to be up and running after all his little incidents?

And Naomi seemed to recover quite fast from her punctured lung or whatever that was, just like Mikhail predicted. But at least if we take Ben`s word for it, she is one of the bad guys.

I'm just happy people are discussing in our revisiting forum

/threadjack

Ben's a liar.  Is Naomi really dead?  Hell, we've thought Mikhail was dead many times over, LOL.  Since she healed so well from the first punctured lung, maybe she will heal again.  

I don't think the Island can heal death. It can't bring you back to life once life is gone. So if Naomi died she's dead... but if she was only injured, she may be.

WOC brings up a good point - until we see for sure that someone is dead, we can't assume they are. TPTB have said that when someone is dead, they stay dead, but we all assumed that Mikhail was dead when Locke pushed him through the fence. And you know what happens when we assume.

I agree, Jeannie. I don`t believe for sure someone is dead until we see them bury them. Both Mikhail and Locke came back again after they were at least left for dead by someone else.

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I don`t believe for sure someone is dead until we see them bury them.

And in the case of Pikki, we weren't even sure at that point...hopeful, but not sure

so true