Seems someone hasn't opened one yet, so here - Discuss tonight's episode! LOL.  

Have they hired Adam as a writer for this show?

bah...why is no one talking?!?!?!

First, some questions:

1. If Sawyer was actually shown 'his' island, why did Sayid not see the Island where Ben and the gang are currently located??? He circled their whole island, right?

2. Can we really trust Sawyer does NOT have the pacemaker -- I want to believe he is okay but I am weary.

3. Obviously - its Ben who needs Jack's help - those x-rays had to be of his spine.


Now, for some discussion:
Desmond obviously has ESP. He saw the bolt of lightning hit Claire's tent while he was staring at her at the beginning of the episode. I wonder if Charlie may understand this now.

And if Sawyer and them are indeed on another island - it will be pretty hard to render an escape without that submarine, eh? I wonder where they dock it.

Pen, I wondered the same. Why have they not seen the Others island from their own, or when they were sailing around?

Why they didn't see the island is a big question of mine as well. Unless there is a side of the island that no one (of the Losties) has been to yet, but still...

The interesting thing about Desmond is that he now knows he can "see" things that are going to happen in the future, but more importantly he knows he can change them. I believe he "saw" lightning hit Claire's tent, and Claire or Aaron be hurt. He built the lightning rod to see if he could change that. And he did. So he didn't really see the future, he saw a potential future - one that he could effect.

This episode was painful to watch. Poor Sawyer! Talk about your bad day.

I agree that Ben is the one with the tumor, and now we know why they wanted Jack. But why did they want Sawyer and Kate?

Cons conning cons all over the place last night! I liked Sawyer's flashback, and the softer side of him shown when he gave his share of the money to his daughter. Wonder if she really is his daughter? Though I suspect she is, the girl really seemed to be in love with him.

I don't think they really put a pacemaker in Sawyer. I don't think they have the knowledge or expertise to do that complicated of a surgery. But as a con, it was a good one.

I have to assume that Benry saw Kate climb out of the cage, then climb back in. Does he assume from that that she is beaten and won't leave without Sawyer? And now he has shown Sawyer that an escape attempt would be futile, so he should feel fairly safe that they won't try an escape?

Jeannie - I agree. I think Kate is now viewed as beaten. She won't leave without Sawyer.

I still think Sawyer and Kate are there to ENSURE that Jack performs the operation. They are Ben's leverage.

I also think Kate meant that she loved Sawyer when she said it. I really do. *crosses fingers*

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I also think Kate meant that she loved Sawyer when she said it. I really do. *crosses fingers*

*crossing fingers with you*

I think she meant it. But I don't think she felt comfortable confessing it to Sawyer. If she didn't love him, I don't think she would have stayed - she would have attempted the escape. I don't think she could bear to leave without him. Especially since she was probably thinking that if he did escape, they would kill him.

At least that's my theory, and I'm sticking with it until it's proven wrong. LOL

I didn't watch the epi yet but I have my own special Spoilerfix (Thank you ILE)

About the other island, our losties didn't notice it but Rousseau did. This is the map from 1x14-Special. Notice the "rafiot"? It's the boat which was given to Michael and Walt (This is my guess)

"I didn't watch the epi yet but I have my own special Spoilerfix (Thank you ILE)" Hehe, no prob.

This is totally pointless, but lmao @ Jack's expression.

LOLOL - That Jack pic makes me want to start up a "Jack's Bedtime Stories" thread here. There was one at the other place I used to post funny pics of Jack in....

Maybe that "rafiot" is the submarine we learned about that the others have.

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Jeannie wrote :   *crossing fingers with you* I think she meant it. But I don't think she felt comfortable confessing it to Sawyer. If she didn't love him, I don't think she would have stayed - she would have attempted the escape. I don't think she could bear to leave without him. Especially since she was probably thinking that if he did escape, they would kill him. At least that's my theory, and I'm sticking with it until it's proven wrong. LOL

Crossing fingers right with you girls.  And I think it's true, but she felt kind of guarded by his responses and so decided to hurt him a little.  You could tell it affected him too.

I really liked the vulnerable side of him, ESPECIALLY seeing that he'd been like that before (giving the money to someone who may not have even been his daughter) but the fact that he WASN'T that way at all on the island thus far (mostly) shows me that he really cares for Kate in a way he might not even understand.   I don't think of myself as a shipper but all along the past two seasons I've seen their relationship be more of a friendship than an "adoration" relationship which IMHO is a better base for true "love".  So I guess that makes me a Skater, LOL.

As for the Jack/Ben thing, I do now think that they will be leverage for Jack to do the operation.  I just hope that they don't get any more pain (emotional or physical) inflicted on them, as last night was hard to watch.  Compelling drama, but hard to see, I guess because I've come to care about the characters.

I am dying to know why the other island couldn't be seen... although the "mysterious high tide" from season 1 made me wonder -- man-made and movable??

My husband thought perhaps the island where Ben and the Others are is 'hidden' from view in our reality - cloaked, if you will. I recall us exploring the island being cloaked in discussions last year.

But the tide comment - yes, that could also be a more logical explanation. Although that is some HIGH tide if that is the case that they are able to manipulate. Well there is supposedly meteorolgical exploration occuring on the island, pursant to good ole' Candle's original Dharma video. I just cannot shake that Sayid went around the whole island. And also, the Losties have been exploring the island a lot - remember when the Tailies made their journey - they were walking near the shore a bit.

I don't think they implanted Sawyer. Time will tell. If they never mention it again, we'll know he doesn't have a heart assploding pacemaker.

I don't think Kate loves Sawyer. She waited way too long to finally blurt it out, and I don't think she just de-balls a guy later like that under those conditions by saying it wasn't true if it really was.

I really liked the reveal of why Jack is there. It's about time they let us in on something.

I also really enjoyed TPTB point-blank letting us know that, yeah definitely, Des can see the future and can change it. Any doubt Hurley or us had of Des's new powah is gone.

Way out theory: The Others researched Sawyer and it turned out that Sawyer has the same rare blood type as Tumor-man.

Notes:
Sawyer's prisoner number is 840.
Sawyer's "mark" had the number 248.
The bunny with the 8.

Did Sayid go around the whole island? I thought he only traveled along until he found the cable, then followed it inland.

The tailies originally were going to walk along the shore all the way to the Losties campsite, but cut inland when Eko decided it was quicker, and that Sawyer was badly hurt.

Lisa, it's been interesting watching the Sawyer/Kate relationship develop. They have a lot in common, and they have developed a friendship of sorts. Good call that Kate was hurt by Sawyer not telling her all that he knew. Another good explanation for the "I just said that so he would stop hurting you." comment.

ETA: Borky, Sawyer and Kate are both very vulnerable for all their hard exteriors. Those are people who have a hard time saying "I love you" and Kate wasn't completely comfortable in believing that Sawyer loves her back, her saying it was just something she said to save him makes perfect sense to me.  

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If Craphole is really big and Hydra island really small - Ben did make a point of saying it was twice the size of Alcatraz - ever seen Alcatraz? - then Craphole would really stand out from Hydra, but not necessarily in reverse. a really small island could look insignificant. My guess is there is more than one small island around. I think Pala for instance where the barracks are is yet another small island.

Also - Craphole looked real close - but that could have been an illusion - it could be quite far away - but huge.

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Borky wrote : Way out theory: The Others researched Sawyer and it turned out that Sawyer has the same rare blood type as Tumor-man.

Well, remember in the premiere, they seemed to have drawn blood from the three of them, so that's entirely possible.

Pen: Glad to hear hubby's back in the fold, although I was just about to join him in a walkout during the first bunny scene.

Kudos to VM on the "different island" theory after the premiere.  You were dead-on.

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I don't think Kate loves Sawyer. She waited way too long to finally blurt it out, and I don't think she just de-balls a guy later like that under those conditions by saying it wasn't true if it really was.

Much as I hate to agree with this statement, I do agree.  I think the "Every man for himself" vs "Live together, die alone" scene was meant as foreshadowing that Kate's decided on Jack.  And I really like the idea that they need Sawyer because of his blood type, and they captured Kate to make Sawyer behave.

I join some of you in rooting for Kate and Sawyer And I think she meant it too, when she confessed to love him, and didn`t feel like repeating it after he wouldn`t tell him what had happened to him.
The scene with Sawyer getting beaten by Pickett was very intense. I wonder if the Clementine thing was just put in to show us his better side, or if she will appear later.

I was so shocked that Jack for once seemed to be able to put two and two together - with the spinal surgeon thing. And I agree, I too think Benry is the one is sick. And I liked how Jack is trying to make a bit of split between Benry and Juliet.

But the island is strange - but maybe Sayid and the others have never been on that side of the island yet? When Benry heard they had a sailboat he worried they might find them.

And yay for Kate fineally returning a bit to her own self, with some fighting spirit.  

ETA: and if Juliet was telling the truth about being a fertility doctor, that might have something to do with the Others ´obsession´ with children.  

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